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U.S. weighs post-Toyota "black box" for cars

Reuters -- U.S. safety regulators are weighing whether to make "black boxes" mandatory for all new vehicles in response to recent unintended acceleration problems in Toyota Motor Corp vehicles.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration chief David Strickland told a congressional hearing the agency would be looking at the possibility of requiring the devices that can capture data on speed, braking effort and other details.

Strickland also said he was conducting a full review of NHTSA's legal authority and whether it had the tools necessary to oversee automakers at a time when vehicles are becoming increasingly sophisticated.

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Submitted Mar 11, 2010 By: Mudsprings

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PartsStore Veteran Author West Virginia Posts:402 Points:995,950 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 3:23:49 AM Ignore PartsStore Report Abuse Up goes the prices.
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:6,366 Points:1,128,525 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 3:05:29 AM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...here comes Big Brother...AGAIN...
14of45SSR Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:2,370 Points:829,790 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:52:45 AM Ignore 14of45SSR Report Abuse Some vehicles already have the computer recording information for certain periods of time while you drive it so it can tell the mechanic if you drove the vehicle like a race car or not.
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:12,066 Points:1,128,155 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:32:53 AM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse bobdec...Your 100% correct. What else will this black box tell them? Will they be able to track your every move? Sounds like invasion of privacy to me, but since thats what hussien wants, I guess its just called "change"
speedys Champion Author Utah Posts:4,666 Points:2,092,395 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:31:52 AM Ignore speedys Report Abuse Not a very feasible requirement.
GMVAN Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,400 Points:933,580 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:19:06 AM Ignore GMVAN Report Abuse Toyota should have a"black box"in all their vehicles that would stop them lying.
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:5,158 Points:965,885 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:16:28 AM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse Right a Flight recorder in every vehicle made in America because 1/10 of 1% of the vehicles made had a problem. That's the thinking that didn't make this country great. No I don't know what the true % of manufactured vehicles in the USA is but I wouldn't be surprised if the figure I stated or less is correct.
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:6,716 Points:1,324,615 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:05:08 AM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse NO MORE GOVERNMENT MEDALING IN OUR PRIVACY
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:3,195 Points:1,046,380 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:59:19 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse More Big Brother guvamint reaction to use someone else's money to fix a problem that might happen. To me this sounds like an attempt to seine the ocean to catch a few sharks and is cost effective if something else picks up the bill. Aircraft black boxes are not foolproof, just as fingerprinting and polygraph initially were considered the ultimate crime fighting tools. Like any other gummint idea this will grow well beyond its initial purpose - into speed and other law enforcement, fuel use/abuse, etc. For example, the 2010 census and its "simplified" ten questions. The only question intended by the founding fathers is "How many people live here?"
rippertoo Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,406 Points:678,510 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:40:34 AM Ignore rippertoo Report Abuse Vehicle already have a type of "black box" that records many functions of our vehicles. all they need to do is add to the capability of what is already there. My only worry is that big brother will be able to tap into it and keep track of where, when how we are driving!!
rippertoo Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,406 Points:678,510 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:40:14 AM Ignore rippertoo Report Abuse Vehicle already have a type of "black box" that records many functions of our vehicles. all they need to do is add to the capability of what is already there. My only wory is that big brother will be able to tap into it and keep track of where, when how we are driving!!
Saturn93 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:6,571 Points:1,488,850 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:38:13 AM Ignore Saturn93 Report Abuse Higher costs for new cars. Insurance investigators and anyone else the government authorizes looking over our shoulder. Add in GPS tracking and "they" know right where you are.
grouch311 Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,021 Points:1,155,340 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:38:06 AM Ignore grouch311 Report Abuse are they going to be able to tell if I'm smoking or having sex?
djtdi Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,829 Points:523,805 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:29:55 AM Ignore djtdi Report Abuse Having black boxes in cars with limits on who can access the data might be helpful like air planes black boxes. It definitely would drive up the cost to consumers.
EcoVore Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,533 Points:727,150 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:28:06 AM Ignore EcoVore Report Abuse More gadgets to keep autos higher priced& government to tax & monitor all of us to no end.
greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,159 Points:1,176,515 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:21:35 AM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse in its own way it could be good, especially when researching the cause of accidents. airplanes have had them for years and it is always something they look for first in an accident.
rugbyphil Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:19,113 Points:3,054,500 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:20:05 AM Ignore rugbyphil Report Abuse we need LESS government controls, and let the market place be the judge
comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:4,378 Points:896,175 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:19:26 AM Ignore comprof Report Abuse Too much computers in cars already.
benjy Champion Author Chicago Posts:6,864 Points:1,364,965 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:13:43 AM Ignore benjy Report Abuse Less computer opps not more...
jadeusa Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,895 Points:1,370,985 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:13:01 AM Ignore jadeusa Report Abuse Just another computer on board that can go wrong and create more problems.
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:1,303,335 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:10:44 AM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse Black boxes are already on many cars, this would not be a big thing.
pbc2001 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,316 Points:417,405 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:06:43 AM Ignore pbc2001 Report Abuse Who knows what tomorrow will bring.
Long_gone Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,653 Points:460,145 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:03:59 AM Ignore Long_gone Report Abuse Sounds to me like more "Big Brother".
J Eric Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:8,151 Points:1,657,290 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:01:14 AM Ignore J Eric Report Abuse Too much government. And they can't even afford to do all the tasks they now have before them.
LoneGuy Champion Author Lansing Posts:6,153 Points:1,857,755 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:58:31 AM Ignore LoneGuy Report Abuse Another mandate from government for something related to a single manufacturer. That is one way to even the playing field.
ex911 Champion Author San Jose Posts:6,844 Points:1,339,770 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:51:43 AM Ignore ex911 Report Abuse gulp, now cops can pull me over and download the speed data and they will know the (rare) occasions when I exceed the speed limit (by a very small amount) and give me a ticket ;-)
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:43,373 Points:1,712,330 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:49:38 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse visitor_2 wrote: >Sure increase the price even more My 2006 car has an EDR. The manufacturer went to a great deal of effort to explain what it does and does not do.
Amtrgas Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,551 Points:1,230,505 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:41:27 AM Ignore Amtrgas Report Abuse More bad news for Toyota.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:21,174 Points:2,640,570 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:41:12 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse the truth will come out soon !
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,792 Points:1,326,080 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:37:15 AM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse Will it help track thefts too?
furiousfowl Champion Author Riverside Posts:14,625 Points:2,323,125 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:35:12 AM Ignore furiousfowl Report Abuse GOTTA DO SOMETHING HERE
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:16,603 Points:1,788,845 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:24:46 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse will this also detect texting, eating, or applying make-up while driving ??..
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:6,393 Points:1,511,720 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:23:53 AM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse Good idea - why now do it? Wanna bet who picks up the tab for the cost???? [Edited by: TBONE3 at 3/12/2010 12:24:19 AM EST]
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:7,001 Points:1,397,270 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:23:40 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse This will fix Toyota's problem, How? Just have the computer throw more problem codes so we can fix the problem.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:3,545 Points:390,660 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:17:41 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Just like they do for planes.
visitor_2 Champion Author Orlando Posts:1,023 Points:1,235,645 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:16:36 AM Ignore visitor_2 Report Abuse Sure increase the price even more
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:6,669 Points:1,315,550 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:11:11 AM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse When something big and famouse goes wrong with an auto, changes come up for the law to avoid it. The only problem is that there are so many problems which come for all autos that nobody can gaurreentee everything is safe.
Bus561 Champion Author Lexington Posts:14,076 Points:2,753,105 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:10:52 AM Ignore Bus561 Report Abuse I think this would be like closing the barn door after the cow has gotten out, don't you?
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,157 Points:1,203,700 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:10:45 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse I thought some of the manufacturers are using the so black box already.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:8,162 Points:1,393,420 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:57 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse I will not buy a Toyota!
BKool Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,532 Points:1,755,245 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:48 AM Ignore BKool Report Abuse 1984...
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,258 Points:1,893,540 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:42 AM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse It may provide some new data on the problems. But my guess is they already know what the problem is and are trying to figure out a way to fix it without saying it is electrical or computer oriented. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
Gary65 Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,501 Points:511,655 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:37 AM Ignore Gary65 Report Abuse That's all we need, good god what next.
altonb1 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:6,895 Points:1,054,645 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:30 AM Ignore altonb1 Report Abuse In such a thriving economy, I wonder how much THIS is going to inc rease the cost of each vehicle?
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:267,902 Points:1,200,750 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:06:42 AM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse ... BIG BROTHER is watching us ...
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,054 Points:1,022,000 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:06:02 AM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse doesn't matter
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,665 Points:1,614,935 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:06:00 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse Wait till Stephen King gets ahold of this
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,772 Points:1,274,935 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:05:32 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse they're gonna GPS vehicles for tolls and taxes anyway... they'll even know when you fart & attempt to tax that as well!!!
v240 All-Star Author Pennsylvania Posts:963 Points:1,067,215 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:04:13 AM Ignore v240 Report Abuse So your car can tell Big Brother what you have been up to. From a safety point of view, being able to look for electronic or software problems with this data could be a plus. It would be necessary to make it clear that the data is owned by the owner of the vehicle - not the insurance companies, not the courts, not the car companies. Having your car provide evidence against you - in my nonlawyer opinion - violates the amendment that protects you from self-incrimination. And this is already and issue (and has been for several years) - many cars do record this data in a "black box" - the biggest problem is that most car owners don't know it. [Edited by: v240 at 3/12/2010 12:05:48 AM EST]
pinkelefant Champion Author Sacramento Posts:16,965 Points:2,196,940 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:02:18 AM Ignore pinkelefant Report Abuse Good in theory but reminds me of 1984, too.